Emma Watson In Conversation with Dr Denis Mukwege Nobel Peace Prize

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艾玛·沃特森采访2018年诺贝尔和平奖得主德尼·穆奎格(Denis Mukwege),他为终止将性暴力用作战争和武装冲突的武器做出了极大努力,呼吁与人为乐是消除冷漠的保证,感同身受是消除暴力的前提。

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Just to take a, hoo, a small moment.

I wanted to, just for a minute so I can catch my breath.

Ask you, I mean I've spent the last seven days with you and you are relentless in your activism, and I mean a whole room will just stop and listen to you speak because you speak in a way that's so concise and honest and also you're so ego-less and results, you know you really, you know exactly what it is that you want and you have such a clear picture, but this is just a small part of what you do.

When you go home, you'll be working as a doctor all day and I'm curious what does a typical day look like for Denis in the DRC?

Will you walk me through a typical day in your life, in your home?

Yeah.

Normally, the days are not the same because I have two days per week when I'm doing my clinics to receive patients.

And I can say that this is really the very hard days, because to talk with people who come, they come with many questions and most of the time you don't have answer.

And when you don't have answer, it's very hard.

So I have two days where I'm doing my clinic.

I have also two days where I'm working in the operating room to perform surgery, and I can say that for me is maybe the more easier, because there it's, what you say, practical things.

So you have a plan and you try just to accomplish it.

It's not like to talking with someone who is rejected by all the community, who is rejected by their husband, who is thinking about their children who were killed or things like that.

It's more easier to, but I have two days of surgery and all the time I have impression that in the operating room, I'm more, I can more relax and working even it's hard, but it's more relaxing for me.

And I'm using also two days, one for my staff to talk with my staff to discuss with my staff, Wednesday.

And Saturday is a day that I'm doing other activities, especially things that don't relate with the hospital.

And every day, I have time with my family, and this is really very important because when you can spend all the day with big questions regarding trauma, it's really very important to get yourself people who can support you.

And I can say that my family is supporting me a lot.

I'm eating the morning, and the evening, and on the table in the evening with my family is a time really to do my own therapy.

Wow, so that's your form of self-care.

Just as a human being, I often find when someone I know is going through something really difficult, the fear of not knowing what to say when they're going through it, or what can I offer in this moment?

And I'm curious, you say that's kind of one of the hardest things that you do is you spend time and you listen, and I'm just curious how you approach that when you don't have an answer, or you don't know what to say to someone.

Yeah, as I said really it's sometimes a hard moment, because when you don't have an answer, and you have someone who is in front of you, crying without someone to support her, I have experience of girls who come to my hospital after all their family to be killed, so they are alone.

And not alone with all their capacity, but to be pregnant at 12 or 14 years is a big consequences on their body.

So when they come at the hospital, it's like they already lose their childhood.

And now you have to explain them that after to get a complication of just the childbirth where they destroy everything.

Their bladders, their rectum, and their vagina.

You have to explain to them that they'll never get their femininity.

This is something really terrible to be in front of someone who is asking you the question about something that you can't solve.

And most of the time when I'm facing these kind of problems, I can say that it's a time that I'm losing even my capacity to sleep, because you just have an impression, what can I do?

But you know that you don't have solution.

You can't solve the question, and there I think that it's still only one thing that you can do when you are in this kind of situation is to give love, because everyone, everyone need love.

And I've seen how love can help girls who lose everything.

They don't have family, they lose all their femininity, but when they have love, you can see that their whole life can change totally.

It's really for me very important to think that everyone can give something if just you think about the person who is in front of you, and maybe you can't give him material.

Maybe you can't treat her surgically but you still are able to give the love.