Astronomy was the most important discipline, but astrology was respectable too, and it shaded into magic.

天文学是最重要的学科，但占术也同样受人推崇，它渐渐演变成了魔法。

Millennia ago, astrology was as close to science as you got.

几千年前，占术士是最接近科学的了。

And this academic thinks astrology tried to bring this idea under control; it domesticated it.

这位学，象学想要控制这种想法，将其通俗化。

They also added some details from the Greeks and Romans, asian legends and even astrology.

他们还补充了一些来自希腊和罗马的细节、亚洲传、甚至占术。

Oh, you're into astrology even though it's scientifically disproven and entirely illogical?

噢，你喜欢占术，使它被科学证明是错误的，完全不合逻辑？

You know, believe in ghosts, too. Great. And astrology.

我还相信鬼魂 很好 还有占术。

But astrology is very different from astronomy.

但占学与天文学非常不同。

This belief in the stars has a Greek name: astrology.

这种信仰就叫占术，或用一个希腊词就叫“astrology”。

No, this is a part of astrology.

不，这是占术的一部分。

Garrett, are you talking about astrology?

加勒特，你是在座吗？

So then, astrology? Yes, of course!

那么，占术呢? 当然信!

Is that so? I'm afraid it is too narrow-minded to judge people using astrology. It's all stereotypes!

是这样哦！可是我总觉得用座理论来判断人未免也太绝对化，太过老套了。

Words change meaning over time, and now it's pretty well understood that astronomy is science, and astrology...isn't.

词汇的意思经常改变，如今人们普遍理解天文学是科学，而占术… … 不是。

Well, let's hear from Nicholas Campion, who teaches the cultural history of astrology at the University of Wales.

让我们听听在威尔士大学教象学文化的老师尼古拉斯·坎皮恩是如何的。

The thing is, it really didn't; the fault of astrology lies in ourselves and not our stars.

但是它并不灵验；占术的问题在于我们自己的偏见而不是。

Well, these characteristics we've mentioned are based on what astrologers say. And astrology is today's theme.

我们刚才的这些性格都是占家们研究出来的。今天节目的主题是象学。

And you were right. Nancy Reagan, wife of the late president Ronald Reagan, has long been interested in astrology.

你选对了。美国前总统罗纳德·里根的妻子，南希·里根，一直对象学很感兴趣。

So what do you think about astrology (mumbles)?

- 那么你如何看待占术（咕哝）？

Between you and me, I don't really believe in astrology too much.

- 在你我之间，我不太相信占术。

The study of how the position of the stars affect our being Astrology.

研究的位置如何影响我们的存在，这就是占术。