And overcoming that does require that we either can somehow leap over that intermediator or we can get a much better relationship with the intermediator and we can get a better conversation going on between electors and their representatives.

克服这一障碍确实需要我采取两种策略之一：要么我能够以某种方式跨中间人，要么我能与中间人建好的关系，从而促进选民与其代表之间有效的沟通。

He would have been more concerned by politicians rolling the dice on defaulting and the debt stock than he would have been by enthusiastic intermediators.

他会担心政客在违约和债务存量问题上孤注一掷，而不是些热情的中间人。