His teammate, Chris Lulham, is part of the Verstappen Racing stable, if you like, a driver who sort of came from sim racing as well, but also had done karting before that as well.
It changes a lot in your career because you start in karting where there you are spending a lot of days on track, but it's always a track that is very close to your house.
And then I think he got involved in a battle that he described as war, So it was like the karting days as everyone was banging wheels and overtaking and defending like complete nutters.
And the reason why it's unique is because I think Max had a very different education than anybody else in karting, the way he trained, the way he competed.