And this was the think tank or one of the think tanks of the neoconservatives.

而这就是保守主义的一个智囊团。

And that philosophy then animated, I would say, a neoliberal and neoconservative consensus in Washington for 25 years.

这种理念随后激发了华盛顿长达25年的自由主义和保守主义共识。

This was the neoconservative strategy, along with their counterpart, the Likuds in Israel, that they wanted to remake the region.

这是保守主义者的策略，以及他们在以色列的对应方利库德集团，他们想要重塑该地。

But again, I got to say for you to say that I can't Bring up the neoconservatives for a minute.

一遍，我要，你不能把我保守主义分子哪怕一分钟。

Like, all the big neoconservatives were involved in PNAC, from Dick Cheney to Rumsfeld to Richard Perle, David Worms, all the big neocons.

像迪克·切尼、拉姆斯菲尔德、理查德·珀尔、大卫·沃姆斯这些大牌保守主义者都参与了PNAC。

In “The World America Made” Robert Kagan, a prominent neoconservative, argues that the liberal order America created after the second world war may not endure if America loses the power or will to defend it.

著名的保守主义者罗伯特·卡根（Robert Kagan）的《美国塑造的世界》一书出，二战后美国创造的自由秩序有可能因为美国失去捍卫的力量或意愿而无以为继。

So you're telling me it's a complete coincidence that he saw that the neoconservatives had this plan to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi, and then ten years later we happen to do it when we have the opportunity?

所以你在告诉我， 这完全是个巧合， 他看保守主义者有个推翻穆阿迈尔·卡扎菲的计划，然后十年后我们恰好有机会就去做了？

And of course, this is also a lesson for Kamala Harris, as she probably should have distanced herself a little bit from, you know, neoconservatives that everyone despises and atrocities that are, as you say, stomach churning.

当然，这对卡马拉·哈里斯也是一个教训，她或许应该与那些人人都厌恶的保守主义者以及你所的令人作呕的暴行保持一定距离。