They felt like in order to be successful, they had to get a degree.

他们觉得为了成功，必须得有个。

To understand it, you have to have a PhD.

要理解它，你得有博士。

And then Leakey said I had to get a degree.

后来利基说，我得先拿到。

And then I realized a couple of years ago, I was like, well, you have done that.

几年前我恍然大悟，心想，其实你已经做到了。你得自己设计，向领域内的顶尖人物请教，深入探讨你感兴的特定话题，按照自己的节奏习，无需遵循排或完成额外的作业，除非那是你自愿的。

And he tells Business Insider, quote, if you want this cheese, you got to get two degrees.

他告诉商业内幕网，引述道：“如果你想得到这块奶酪，就得拿到两个。”

Meanwhile, Jordan said his family is not wealthy and could not have paid for so many years in so many colleges on the way to a PhD.

同时，乔丹说，自己家庭并不富裕，无法支付在这么多大里多年习而赚得博士。

If you felt like you need a politics degree just to understand if the budget this year is good or bad, or you're sitting there like, wait, what is a structural deficit and why should I even care?

如果你觉得， 光是弄明白今年的预算究竟是好是坏， 就得先修个政治；或者你坐在那儿， 一脸困惑地想，等等，结构性赤字是什么鬼， 我干嘛要关心这个？