And you know, when you look at sort of the, you know, even just the way I describe myself, like, as an American dynamist, like, I always describe myself as a Federalist.

你知道，即便从我描述自己的方式来看——比如，我常自称为一“者”——我总是把自己定位为一联邦主义者。

So do you think the vitalists have a point that they're more eager and able to notice the magic of life?

那么，你是否认为者有道理，即他们更热切且能够察觉到生命的神奇之处？

I think that no tradition, vitalists included, is ever fully wrong about the nature of the things that they're describing.

我认为，没有任何传统——包括者在内——在描述事物本质时是完全错误的。

Life could be a material property and still have a lot of the features that the vitalists thought were mysterious.

生命可能是一种物质属性，并且仍然具备许多者认为神秘的特征。

So we may still expand our understanding what is incorporated in the category of matter that will eventually incorporate such magical things that the vitalists have noticed, like life.

因此，我们或许仍能扩展对物质范畴内所包含内容的理解，最终将那些者所察觉到的神奇现象，如生命，纳入中。

So I don't think the vitalists were actually wrong.

因此，我认为者实际上并没有错。