But I got to spend a lot of time with him and I learned a lot about his contempt for the phoniness of politics, about how to handle adversity and about the importance of honoring veterans.

但我和他相了很长时间，我看到了他对政治假象蔑视，学会了如逆境及尊重老兵重要性。

Has developed a finely honed radar for B.S. Can you say B.S. at Harvard? The spin and phoniness and artificial nastiness.

商业学校模式发展做出了贡献可在哈佛提起商业学校字眼吗? 那些天花乱坠虚假与龌龊。

The spin and phoniness and artificial nastiness that saturates so much of our national debate.

旋转、虚假和人脏充斥着我们全国辩论大部分内容。

But they love it anyway, either despite its phoniness or, more likely, because of it.

但无论如，他们还是喜欢它，尽管它很虚伪，或者更有可能是因它。

I think people these days, there's so much phoniness and grift, just like you say.

我觉得现在人，虚伪和欺骗太多了，就像你说那样。

People are so sick of the phoniness.

人们已经受够了这种虚伪。

Hopefully not in the phoniness, but the ambiguity that you're pointing to seems really important to me about that character.

希望不是在虚伪中，但你指出那种模糊性对我来说对这个角色真很重要。

I mean I think there's a phoniness in a lot of people and she was not phony remotely.

我意思是，我觉得很多人都很虚伪，而她却一点也不虚伪。