And basically, there are primary reinforcers.

基本上，有初物。

But in the real world when dealing with humans, but even when dealing with animals, we don't actually always use primary reinforcers or negative reinforcers.

但在现实世界中，与类打交道时，甚至与动物打交道时，我们实际上并不用初物或负物。

Since the connection with the poker chips is established through classical conditioning, sooner or later by that logic the poker chips would lose their power to serve as reinforcers.

由于与扑克筹码的联系通过经典条件反射建立的，按照这种逻辑，扑克筹码迟早会失去其作为物的力量。