My name's Catherine Sleeman, I'm Professor of Palliative Care at King's College London.

瑟琳·斯利曼，是伦敦国王学院的姑息治疗学教授。

And he wrote a book called The Triumph of the Therapeutic.

他撰写了一本名为《治疗学的胜利》的书。

That's Torsten Passie, a professor of psychiatry and psychotherapy at Hannover Medical School in Germany.

努维尔：这是托斯顿·帕西（Torsten Passie），德国汉诺威医学院精神病学和心理治疗学教授。

So, yeah, the rise of the therapeutic is not an entirely bad thing.

所以，没错，治疗学的兴起并不完全是件坏事。

And then our household got much more unstable, and I was, to use a therapy term, the identified patient.

然后们家变得不稳定多了，成了所谓的“问题人物” ，用治疗学的术语来说就是“被识别的病人” 。

Jobs's dietary habits became even more obsessive when he read Mucusless Diet Healing System by Arnold Ehret, an early twentieth-century German-born nutrition fanatic.

乔布斯在读过20世纪初出生在德国的营养学狂热者阿诺德·埃雷特(Arnold Ehret)所著的《非黏液饮食治疗学》一书后，饮食习惯变得更加怪异。

And just to wrap this up, going back to the pain tolerance part of this conversation, Nick Washmuth is a professor of physical therapy at Samford University in Alabama, and he's focused on the potential This is amazing.

为了总结这一点， 让们回到对话中关于疼痛耐受力的部，·沃什穆斯是阿拉巴马州萨姆福德大学物理治疗学教授，他专注于这一潜力研究。 这真是令人惊叹。

So there are all kinds of ways in which that reverse in the culture that the rise of the therapeutic represents have grabbed hold of even traditional religious ideas and institutions and flipped them, turned them 180 degrees.

因此，文化中这种由治疗学兴起所代表的逆转， 已经以各种方式抓住了甚至传统的宗教观念和机构， 并将它们完全翻转，转了180度。

And for that reason, I have really great marketing people who know nothing about therapeutics, and therapeutics people who know nothing about CAC to LTV like that, it's so interesting to learn and so I always tell people like join 23andMe.

出于这个原因， 有非常优秀的营销人员， 他们对治疗学一无所知，而治疗学人员对 CAC 到 LTV 一无所知，学习起来很有趣， 所以总是告诉人们加入 23andMe。